Ep 455: Why Land Is The Best Real Estate Class

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hopefully you see that INB there we go my man hey hey hey hey what's up

bro how doing I'm good man how are you meetings back toback meetings just

working facts me too me too what you what you what you got what you working on today um I was working with a new

coaching client uh building out their funnel um going over like price points

and what they could sell their coaching stuff for so so like do you also do like the coaching

stuff through hive mind as well and is that just regarding land or is that just

like a broader type of thing so hyp mind is so I I do land land marketing land

education but I also do the software stuff so the software stuff is I I'm an agency I help people with websites

funnels texting courses a lot of that stuff and then I I

do cons consultations with that too so gotcha it's it's a lot of everything so

what I just got off with was doing a consultation on coaching and then um helping them like understand other

clients that I work with price points what even they video what they pitch on coaching and just kind of giving them an

idea that that's fire and I actually saw on uh my calendar that it's the um the

Third the third birthday of of Hive M right yeah second February will be our

third year man that's crazy bro that's crazy yes sir um Dan this is my partner

Alex um how you doing Alex I'm good Dan how are you doing thanks for having me on

today no problem man no problem here to answer questions here to answer questions yes sir yes sir so for those

of you guys who don't know this God damn he's a beast man he has his own CRM

called hive mind um and he is also a

huge land investor um very investment Savvy um land rich land more land Rich

than anybody I know that's kind of Rich to be man facts and you know anytime I I

see l or think about L um you know I I always reach out to this guy uh I met

him through the Ty Capital Max shout out to Ty cap shout out to Charles Obby and um he's uh he's

been a very very great help to me and he's really expanded my mind uh to be

able to think about development in a in a way just a lot more thought out process

um a lot of things in land I I didn't noce you had to do like you know reach

out to planning and zoning and make sure that you can get it rezoned and you know

making sure utilities can get like all all of these things I I learned from Dan so um super happy that you here and um I

hope we can share some some dope information um to to the masses and put

them on some some awesome games so thank you again for taking the time today no problem man I'm here I'm excited to be

here I love doing stuff like this I'm all here about providing education and teaching the m cuz uh the land space is

very unknown so yeah definely feel like it's untapped for sure yeah it's it's a

blue ocean for sure so oh I'm sorry go ahead hey yeah yeah my bad my bad I'm

just saying you know business partners with Alex and Donovan over here um like you said pleasure to be on and yeah I'm

not really don't know much about land I'd love to learn kind like what got you involved in this how' you even that was

actually be my question what started you a land so um I kind of fell into land man

uh my first business was a trucking company so I was uh it wasn't going really going well for me so I was

pivoting into real estate so I was start off with houses at first um I contracted a few houses that I thought were good

deals I was just inexperienced and um I couldn't move them man I lost like a$

thousand dollar and earnest money on a house that I I got too high um another

one uh a seller passed away before closing um and then my third my third Endeavor

this is the final straw that hit me was um I I I got a house uh I found a a

seller that had two houses they lived in one had a family in the other one that wasn't paying rent for months so it's

causing a lot of financial distress so they're like uh I think I get this to a

good price negotiated the price but I knew I had to get rid of the tenant so I'm like I went through I had the seller

sign make me their landlord so I can file eviction on them I filed the eviction got him out the house I trashed

out the house I went to closing and they had a $30,000 credit card lean on their

house was that back to back to back three Deals in a row yeah jeez that'll

do so yeah that'll do it quick pivot so uh my my my my friend SL partner now he

was like try land see see see what we can do it I already knew how to like wholesale contract and all this stuff

I'm like let me try land right so I'm like all right Google ads towards that website and I got a lead and I was

living in Atlanta at the time and uh the lead she a lady that lived in Atlanta

but she owned a property in Florida and her motivation was people were dumping on her property so she's like can you

can you can you help buy this thing and I'm like yeah I think I can help you out let me let me do do some run some numbers so I ran some numbers I guessed

it was worth about 20,000 a little thou 20,000 Florida lot very very small um

and uh I was like man if I can get this thing for 5,000 I'm gon I'm GNA make some money I don't know how much I'm

gonna make but I'm G make some money but um I was afraid to get on the phone so

the lead came in through a website so I had her email so I was just emailing her emailing and I was like would you take

$423 3.35 I yeah do a random random number I

like random number so it shows that you calculated it and she's like can you just do five and I'm like yeah let's do

five I mean that's where wherever I was at so I I I got I contracted her for

five all through email never spoke to the seller damn I put it on Facebook Marketplace for uh 12,000 and I found a

buyer in two days off Facebook Marketplace oh

wow huh th000 down no no 5,000 with the seller I found a buyer for 12 right but

you you got it for five oh sorry sorry did you did like a wholesale contract with the land whaling I was wh okay okay

okay okay wholesaling so uh I never I never talked to the buyer either we

contracted it we closed like two weeks later um five went to the seller I ended

up getting like 6,500 after closing and the rest is history I've been doing land ever since

and when was that that was uh [Music]

2018 okay yeah nice good little run there now what five five years five going I've been doing land for five I've

been in real estate for five years now bro he's the Beast shout out to H we

got we got a lovely H mind user in the comments lovely user um so let's we got

the origins right so let's let's take it to to now obviously you guys have done

you you and Anthony uh we got to get Anthony on one day as well but um Anthony is Anthony is his partner that

he's uh speaking of and um they they run hive mind together okay but how much how

if if you if you have a ballpark number how much land have you not necessarily

in acreage but just in value how much have you moved since then um we probably did a million last

year um and this year we've done probably we prob this year's not

over we have a closing a big deal closing on December 28th so if that deal closes we'll

probably close on close to seven this year wow that's a big deal yeah con

that's astonishing we'll probably and I don't have the exact numbers I'm going to I'm

going to be better with my kpis next year but we had a we had a $$ three and a half million dollar we sold for four

and a half and then we've done a bunch of small deals I mean I sold I did a land deal that was 430 in June so I mean

that's five right there and even with all your troubles that you had when you first started real

estate and switched over to land have you decided to go back into real estate now or you stay away I mean I'm all land

man I'm all land it's it's a blue I don't I don't blame you for that absolutely not

I've only done one house deal so I'm I'm sticking to my guns I have a quick question for you actually regarding that

I feel like land while it is like kind of untapped you don't meet a lot of land investors but you definitely do meet a

lot of people that are interested in the idea of land they talk about possibly investing in land what were some of the

challenges that you faced early on back maybe 2018 2019 where you're sort of still sabling just yourself in that I

mean it always comes down to the basics it's marketing well marke Mar channels um conversions leads followup I mean

it's all that all the same stuff everybody struggles with right now um one of the main major pain points I mean

all the way through is getting Capital so um there's millions and billions of dollars of capital for single family

multif family storage and all these other different asset classes with land no one understands it so we've really

had to build up a good track record and relationship with our lenders to even help lend on land because everybody will

lend on houses because it's very uh straightforward to the

point oh go ahead Shan my bad my bad I was say kind is that kind of a was that a big hurdle to kind of open their mind

up to change their lending it's it's a hurdle now man it's a hurdle it's a pain point I have right now like we're in the

midst we're trying to raise a lot of money right now we're trying to raise uh $25 million in the next 12 months sounds

like so you're on the road for it though I mean it's it's it's one of those things where like we have to have that

conversation we have to teach them those early on deals how we made money on it how we can make Roi on uh leveraging

seller financing finding good opportunities um creating value at opportunities so there's a lot that

comes into that so it's just educating masses on what opportunity can be made and can be created so I love I wanted to

I wanted to uh segue into that because Dan like he he's taught me a lot about

creative Finance even you know I think I think last year in 2022 is when I really

started to uh watch Pace Mori and you know understand creative finance and

stuff but I I hadn't realized you know being in the Shameless plug to the Tha

Capital Mastermind but um being in the Mastermind and you know uh seeing some

of the uh quick webinars and quick lessons that Dan taught about uh seller

financing uh I'm like man I really have somebody that I can touch base with and reach out to that's right here in my

network so talk about what that what creative financing has been able to open

up for for you and your company uh with land so one thing I I I love Creative

Finance because it it turns the sellers into Banks The Leverage we get with that

is that we don't have to go to Banks we don't have to necessarily leverage Banks we don't have to go and like if

anybody's done like a hard money loan paperwork y like [Laughter]

yeah like that that's that's its own obstacle in in itself so like like

talking to hard money talking to Banks like having those conversations is it's a real pain so like all the capital

resources we we have up to the now has been through private Capital that we've built relationships with that lend on

the deal and then less seller financing hey let's talk to the seller let's get them to carry back a note let's secure

them with their own property let's give them payments over time let's let's talk about balloons and all this stuff so

when you have the seller be the bank you can get whatever amount of loan you want so like uh Navy Federal came up in the

news because they were denying uh uh minorities for loans imagine going to

the bank of seller finance and you just have to negotiate that up front and they don't run our credit they don't run our

background check they don't run all that stuff it's just you write it up in the contract and if they sign off on it they're the

bank yeah something we got to tap into man seller thought about like I feel like

it's kind of been the way to go lately especially with interest rates out of the roof people struggling to get the financing for things I feel like a lot

of people have switched towards credit financing lately well the the reason why I like L

to is that because a lot of these owners they have a lot of equity and they they they've acquired through solar financing

so like one of the big things I love about land is because it's one of those things where like there's no there's not a lot of resources for land land banking

as far as getting getting a land loan or anything like that so a lot of these owners they've acquired to sell

financing and then when when you ask them to sell or Finance themselves they've already they understand it

because they they've done it before so it's it's a with land being not easily

accessible they usually acquire and they sell through seller financing so they're very up to dat and understand what

they're doing in most cases and uh they're usually open to it because they have a lot of equity because most time

they they might have owned it for either they own it for a long time and like we talk most of our sellers are older um

they're sophisticated they own a lot of land and they own it fre clear so whenever money gets tight or whenever

they want they think markets up they'll s off 20 100 acres here and there and

like these land owners they own a lot of land like we talk to bunch of owners

that own 2,000 acres or more and they'll just off little chunks here and there whenever they need to or whenever they feel the time's right and if they hold

if they hold it for longer they're just going to get more money later on so it's a good way to hold and create value if

you can afford to I like that I had a I had a question so rental

properties you know the appeal they have cash flow fix and flips the appeal is

you know a big check at the end of sort of like you know a lot of hard work um so those are kind of you know that's

that's the fruits of the labor that you're looking for that's what people tend to gravitate towards when they're doing that what would you say the

equivalent is of that for land is it the appreciation of it is the opportunity to build things on your land what would you

say that point is for you so I'll address both of those so um think of like a Fix and Flip so a Fix and Flip

you're going to buy a $100,000 house for 20 grand put $30 30,000 in repairs and you have 50,000 of equity you have to

pay the agent fees and commissions and private Capital so you might make like 30 grand on that house um we can we've

done most of our deals we we've made a huge spread just because we get uh Arbitrage so so you can get you can do a

land Flip or a land wholesale and make a lot of money um we have one of our clients um he's probably made $200,000

with us just wholesaling us deals he's done two deals with us and he's made 100,000 Profit just by wholesaling the

deal to us wow wow so think about that and like when you're dealing with bigger

assets you can create bigger spreads as far as wholesaling goes true so I have a guy in my network he made 2.2

wholesale off of one deal Sor say that again he made $2 million off of one deal

wholesale yeah maybe we're missing out on something right here maning out yeah

absolutely it's one of those things where like a house you can only make so much money on a house because there's

there's only it's only valued at so much and you can't you can't sell a $200,000 house for 250 or 300 because there's

verified comps there and you're not sell you're not like you're not going to wholesale a million dollar house because

most time they have debt on it right and you might not have that you're dealing with a lot of issues but land they they

own it free and clear you can really get a good deal sometimes and then uh the

people talk about stocks about like you got to buy at the bottom Amazon's at the bottom it's it's at the fiveyear low

whatever everybody talks about buying at the bottom land is the equivalent of buying at the bottom every time and if you can buy if you can buy a discounted

deal you're Buy below the bottom with the opportunity to increase the value so

like I like land because it's one of those things where like you can add paperwork you can change the zoning you can build a multif family on it you can

build a house you can build a duplex you can build whatever you want on that property and now it's worth more but

when you buy land only you're buying at the bottom every time right so right to

touch on what you said about you had the guy who made Millions wholesale with you 200,000 wholesaling with you some of the

other investors we've spoken to you know guys have 80% of their deals are coming from the MLS you know some are coming

from their Network where would you say you're acquiring finding your deals through online or is it through your

personal Network kind of just run us through so uh in the past years it was

through marketing we ran a lot of like PPC which is marketing um and texting um

but with regulation with texting that passed in September we've kind of pivoted um and when we built our

community it all came through the community and what we teach our students is we go through MLS so mostly all of

our deals now come in through the MLS through our community and we're just teaching them to hit uh properties that

have been on market for six months or more in most cases because they just just sit there you're the second

investor to start to cut you off but you're the second investor to say that that they use a lot of stuff off MLS we had Michael lubron here too and he said

the same thing I just found that interesting yeah so the MLS is it's underlying motivation I mean if they're

on the MLS they have they want to sell somewhere some putting it somewhere to sell but one of the great things about

the the MLS with land is it sits there for six months you can go to uh Zillow

right now and find hundreds of land Parcels that have been on the market for six months or more and you'll find

hundreds of them in Texas so what would make right what would make one piece of

land more desirable than another what are you looking for like when you look for a house you know you're looking for

certain features a gar you know a nice walk up what are you looking for when it comes to land great question um

generally we're looking for Road Frontage we like properties with a lot of Road Frontage and then uh we're

looking for opportunities that have been on the market for a long time so they're seasoned when they when they're seasoned

the sell's ready to negotiate like they might have not they might have had one offer in months so you make a creative

Finance offer they're like okay let me take this a little more seriously you know right yeah it was it

was very similar you know with the deal that we looked at earlier this year Dan

in South Carolina where it was on the market for a long while and it was

because of um the way it was zoned and you know we couldn't alter the zoning

and I'm sure that that's obviously a piece of it as well making sure and that's something that I've learned is that you know with some like just how

you know normal investors have a buy box uh when it comes to you know single

family multif family uh you as a land investor you have a buy box as well um

and I remember us having a discussion about you know getting high density uh residential making sure it gets reson

but also I think you spoke to me about um getting into uh I want to say was uh commercial

land as well so could you could you touch a little bit on that and what that process has been like um I try not to

mess with commercial land there's a lot more Hoops that come with that um you can get a variance to change the zoning

but that's used to deal with a lot of paperwork and it's really got to be a property you want um and what I do is

like I'm not necessarily looking for the perfect deal I'm just looking for opportunity that has some type of

Arbitrage so uh we have a commercial deal we've been working for the last year um I don't know when it'll bear

fruit and it might never bear fruit you know so I like I like agricultural land

I like little info Lots I like opportunities that you you know you could there's uh there's a there's a

light at the end of the tunnel per se commercial land it's very hearsay so I

try and stay with commercial land personally even though we do have one working where we might make a lot of money on it it's not a sure thing gotcha

gotcha so just it's a um higher barrier to entry than it would be for agricultural or residential yeah

100% so let's pivot real quick and talk about the the the hive mind conglomerate

man and so you know what what made you get into the the CRM

space um it was on a necessity um there's there when I when I started it almost three years ago there wasn't a

lot of resources out there and um I had the opportunity to start it and help other people with it and I was naturally

drawn to the like the tech side integrator side of things and that's

where my suit was so I'm like let me just dig in let me dig into this and see if I can help other clients with it

because it seems like a lot of uh people in general they do they struggle with

that part they struggle they struggle a lot so if I can help a lot of people with that side of it I'd rather help a

lot of people with that side of it that's fine that and I'm and I'm sure

that obviously now with you know a lot of I wouldn't say competitors but I'll

say um different counterparts you know your your pipe drives your hub spot your

um you know those different types of crms what do you feel set High mind

apart so um I'm okay with it I mean I'm all fine with it like me like there's

people always talk about like Trucking being a billion dollar industry and there's I always like I always made me

laugh because there's a lot of opportunity and like I don't I don't want millions of clients I don't want thousands of clients I'm good with my my

500 or less clients that just pay me a lot more and I'd rather have quality paying

clients than thousands of them just to say you got thousands you know yeah just to say you got thousands so um that's

kind of my angle and when I first started it wasn't necessarily like that but I've learned over time that the the

cheaper clients are a lot more um Troublesome they they they want a lot more help they want a lot more

support they want a lot more uh Char they charge backs for stupid reasons I had I had a whole chargeback wave back

when I was doing that I'm good so I wanted to talk well Alex did

you have anything before we uh moved on um really quickly so you've mentioned

Arbitrage a couple times and I like we know what you're talking about but for some of the people that are listening they may not do you actually mind

breaking that down really quick yeah so Arbitrage is essentially um finding and people on Amazon do it too they find

stuff at the grocery store and then they'll sell it on Amazon at a higher price it's just a price discrepancy in the

market it's just a price discrepancy in the market so um there's different types of Arbitrage and land I talk about uh

price Arbitrage where you get a cash deal um there's Deb Arbitrage where you can get uh good seller financing terms

and then offer seller financing terms to end buy you get Arbitrage and then one thing R right yeah a wrap essentially

and then uh one thing I'm going to coin to the day I die I just I told Anthony I'm going to start using it more but um

it's a partial Arbitrage so you can buy in in the land space you can buy large

acreage and sometimes it's already subdivided down so one of our strategies is we subdivide properties we by large

acreage and subdivided down it's a form partial Arbitrage but sometimes it's already done for you and you can do that

after you can do it with the with the deal itself so um it's a partial Arbitrage partial arbit yeah that's yeah

hey they got that one for free no for sure they got that one for free I'm glad I

asked that million dollars worth a game for $9.99 man what do you

mean subdivide go ahead yeah so subdivide is I'll tell you a couple deals we got going on right now one

supposed to close by the end of the year um it's a crazy so 10 10 acre 10 acre

lot um we got this in a certain city in Texas I'm not goingon to say it but we're doing other

deals I can't SP all the game but um is a 10 L we had a lot of Frontage on it on

three corners and uh we're subdividing that down into it's 9.9 acres and we're

subdividing it down into 11 Lots uh we picked up the nine acres for 225 and a

wholesaler got it for 175 so he made 50 Grand imagine doing a flip yep like

anybody he wholesaled that and made 50,000 so like he he he did all right without doing any work it took it took

like 60 days to close but um um we have we're selling 11 Lots each for

60,000 money to be made money to be made 100% so that's why he got he got paid a

lot of money I mean he brought us a great opportunity with great uh great opportunity to upside and we're making

we're making a lot of money on our side too you know got land bring it to damn

bro I'm telling you yes sir yeah um we we we're doing

another deal too uh it should be closing today uh we picked up uh 18 Acres um and

it was it was uh Parts Arbitrage so uh we had one of our lenders come in it was

purchase price was 400 and we sold three we contracted three lots it was uh 18

Acres if it was 18 acres in one lot we would never have bought it but the reason why we bought it is because it

was 18 acres in four Lots so parel Arbitrage um we sold three of the four

Lots uh we we we we closed on it on a Thursday and we had contracts out for

buyers on by Monday three of them for 600 and we

stilles yeah we're selling like hot cakes so we still have one more lot to sell uh we're giving our lender uh

200,000 on that so the first three lots is all profit I mean it's the money back and profit so they get all three lots

and then we're getting the last lot for in Clair and that's our profit so um that was under 30 days so they're

getting like a 480 per return annualized return because they're getting 50% of

their cash back in under a month so you really bring a lot of value

your investors are bringing value to to them yeah 100 per. so our private

lenders give us the ability to act fast and we're able to reciprocate that back with a good Roi that's a

luxury that's fire and I want to I want to pigy back off of that and you know the word that comes to mind even you

know on these calls that we've uh been on Alex that a lot of uh successful

investors have um is leveraged so like when you're able to to

leverage OPM right for those of you who don't know OPM is other people's money

if you're once you're able to leverage that because you know let's just say you

you know on on a smaller level if you buy a $200,000 house with $50,000 in

rehab with your own money you can only do that one time versus if you

buy uh if you have a lender that can give you 20% down on on five $200,000

houses and now you're doing five at once so you know it's the The Leverage piece

is is super super important Dan what's the biggest acreage deal you've ever

done um biggest acreage um we did was

350 350 Acres um the deal closing end of the month is

244 um so we like we like lar larger Parcels Dam we we try we tried to get

one earlier this year man but it just it just didn't work out but uh I always try to look for for bigger

um Parcels for Dan because I know he can take it down y

so look if y' if y'all got a y'all got a big deal that y'all can get seller financing on and get good terms um and

real quick Dan what are what are good terms for for you so um this is this is what I teach

so um I try not to negotiate price because price doesn't matter if you can get great terms y so usually what I'll

do and this this isn't like the Silver Bullet for every deal um it's just as

long as it's reasonably priced um where you can make money it's it's a good it's a good offer so um you can shoot 10%

down or less so say it's a million dollars you shoot $100,000 down or less and you can make that judgment call

based off of wherever whatever deal you're at and then the base offer we always make is uh 360 equal

payments of whatever the difference is so if you do 900 divided by 360 that's

your monthly payment usually they're not going to say yes to this but the reason why we asked for this is because they're

going to counter and be like hey I can do 10 years you're trying to elicit motivation yeah I

want I want them to carry for at least 24 months but I'm gonna ask for 30 years so if I ask for 30 years like uh for

instance this is the base offer we always go to I have one seller it's given us five years I have another one that's given us 24 months I have one

that's giv us 18 months um I had one that he was going to give us 36 months

and he's like let me come talk with my attorney he's like well the law says we have to do five years let's do five

years even though with land we don't have to follow uh house rules so house rules you have to do five years so he's

like let's do five years I'm like all right let's do five years like he he countered us backwards I'm like okay

thank you whatever works for you whatever works that that's also a teachable

moment that attorneys do not always know what they're talking

about yes these are people that have went to law school and paid hundreds of

thousands of dollars to learn about law and you literally don't know the law like that's so

crazy so it's it's just it's all Nuance so like we always ask for 30 years and whatever we can get we're trying to work

that deal that's all it is so all right Dan where where can where can

the people find you how can they connect with you um uh what what things do you have coming up uh in

2024 um 2024 like I said we're we're starting a capital fund to raise capital

for our deals we are too that's what's up are you really yeah we're we're

that's actually what's on the board now so um you know reg B 50 503b or 50503 I

mean 506b or 60 one of the two but we're going to be doing multi family so okay

we should talk about that yeah we talk we gonna talk don't worry about it we G Talk yeah we're doing we're doing a

506c that's what's up yeah we we're definitely gonna have to have have a further

conversation um yeah we're doing we're doing a five so our funds actually is that gonna be purely for land yeah got

it okay uh we're creating we're creating a debt fund m

we might have to bring you on for another call obviously we can't give him all the sauce but so I mean we should be hey if I was

listening to this I would try to be a client right now boy sure definitely yeah so I might

even be a client myself yeah that that that one's coming out uh mid January um

so that's that's something 2024 we're working on right now we're trying to finalize the doc first week of January so we should be up and running by mid

January um and then then um we do an annual event probably August

2024 um I don't know probably be speaking somewhere I don't know who knows who knows what 2024 has on hold

for us we'll see podcast you got a oh yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah so podcast is Hive withth us Hive withth us.com uh we have 4 almost

50 episodes do a lot of Education stuff covering there and then uh million dooll

landmaster mind.com Hine cm. um danielm hi CRM on every platform we got

like 600 YouTube videos there's a lot of stuff out there you look hard enough you can Google

me that's a fact that's a fact yeah P last last thing D I saw you guys

you guys were uh you and Anthony you're looking for a land deal under under a 100 Grand yeah yeah what like what other

um just does the number matter as far as acreage or you just looking for something under 100 Grand looking under

100 Grand that we can turn into two or more all right y'all heard the man time

to get to work I love that man yeah well man I

really appreciate you taking out the time today um AB you know you've you've

helped me all year I posted on Twitter that um you know and I got to get you to

uh in The Mastermind as well to Shane and Alex because you can just learn so much there's so many I've learned a lot

indidual right now yeah so many different individuals like um Jay Fit

was just in the uh chat Olivia was just in the chat um there's another individual Ricky Anderson he also invest

in land as well um but uh man it's just it's it's so important to be around

people that are like minded in that in that challeng

absolutely you know and you know having conversations with then and you know like asking him questions and picking

his brand is really Advanced me uh you know a as an investor um and it showed

me that there's there's a thousand ways to skin this real estate cat like it really really is

so final tip don't ever say pick your brain again

having those diverse options of you know you know diversity diversifying your um your streams of income you know

obviously average millionaire got seven streams of income so trying to get into as many as possible you know so that's that was good learned a lot today with

that on the real though everybody always says there's so many ways to skin a cat

is there really like how many ways can you really I'm sure it is my a knife for

Aon mom yeah my mama a country so I got all the country say you got all the ways okay all right that'll be the subject of

the next live show how to skin a cat with Donovan how not fact the first five

ways out of a thousand to skin a cat well D we appreciate you man um

we'll definitely talk more off camera as well uh and then shoot hopefully we can get you a land deal here soon so we can

get paid so the sound of that man truly appreciate it

all right guys take care take care a good one hey if you have any deals you'd like to submit to The Hive mine and our

team go to hibc it's actually the highve Buyers Club submit your deals and we can hopefully diso your deal for you have a

great day

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Ep 455: Why Land Is The Best Real Estate Class

Daniel Esteban Martinez